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		<title>By: Search Freelance Projects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Manifesto for a Freelancer with a Family</title>
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		<dc:creator>Search Freelance Projects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Manifesto for a Freelancer with a Family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Open Thread: Do You Ever Work for Free? &#124; World&#39;s Greatest T-Shirt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Thread: Do You Ever Work for Free? &#124; World&#39;s Greatest T-Shirt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Search Freelance Projects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There’s More to Freelancing Than Working from Home</title>
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		<dc:creator>Search Freelance Projects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; There’s More to Freelancing Than Working from Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 08:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Radek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking about this for some time now. I think one good approach would be to tell friends/family members that you can do something for free (As Mo said, limit it to 1 project) BUT this thing will have the least priority. 

Inform them, that you have not set any finish date because client work comes first. If anything important comes up, their project will be postponed. It is quite polite, if you play it right, they might understand the situation without problems. This will also make them more likely to pay for your service ( you can offer a small discount ).

Regards,
Radek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking about this for some time now. I think one good approach would be to tell friends/family members that you can do something for free (As Mo said, limit it to 1 project) BUT this thing will have the least priority. </p>
<p>Inform them, that you have not set any finish date because client work comes first. If anything important comes up, their project will be postponed. It is quite polite, if you play it right, they might understand the situation without problems. This will also make them more likely to pay for your service ( you can offer a small discount ).</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Radek</p>
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		<title>By: Работать вместе с друзьями или родственниками &#8211; возможно ли это? &#124; ProFreelancing.ru</title>
		<link>http://freelancefolder.com/working-with-friends-or-family-can-it-ever-work/comment-page-1/#comment-41485</link>
		<dc:creator>Работать вместе с друзьями или родственниками &#8211; возможно ли это? &#124; ProFreelancing.ru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a rule that I do 1 free project for any family member that would like one --- after that I refer them elsewhere if they want more work since I don&#039;t feel comfortable charging fam.  That&#039;s worked pretty well.  Because the 2nd time around, they can&#039;t claim I don&#039;t care about them because I&#039;ve already done something for them in the past. I clearly let them know that, yes, we&#039;re family, I love you, but I have to pay bills too.

One easy way to squash free work requests from friends is, make them do all the pre-project groundwork --- gather pictures, do the necessary research, etc --- in the same effect of what Matt Keegan mentions above --- show them it&#039;s not a simple process.  I don&#039;t ever have to say &quot;no&quot;, and I&#039;ve found that they never mention it again.

There&#039;s a danger to the general &quot;I rub your back, you rub my back&quot; policy that Amelia Sauter story sort of encompasses in her comments above.  Sometimes, someone can&#039;t repay a favor to a friend who&#039;s helped them when that friend wants it.  It&#039;s happened to me, and nearly destroyed a friendship.  I prefer that either money changes hands, or it&#039;s known from the start that it&#039;s free --- no &quot;favors&quot; --- because the gray area is hard to navigate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a rule that I do 1 free project for any family member that would like one &#8212; after that I refer them elsewhere if they want more work since I don&#8217;t feel comfortable charging fam.  That&#8217;s worked pretty well.  Because the 2nd time around, they can&#8217;t claim I don&#8217;t care about them because I&#8217;ve already done something for them in the past. I clearly let them know that, yes, we&#8217;re family, I love you, but I have to pay bills too.</p>
<p>One easy way to squash free work requests from friends is, make them do all the pre-project groundwork &#8212; gather pictures, do the necessary research, etc &#8212; in the same effect of what Matt Keegan mentions above &#8212; show them it&#8217;s not a simple process.  I don&#8217;t ever have to say &#8220;no&#8221;, and I&#8217;ve found that they never mention it again.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a danger to the general &#8220;I rub your back, you rub my back&#8221; policy that Amelia Sauter story sort of encompasses in her comments above.  Sometimes, someone can&#8217;t repay a favor to a friend who&#8217;s helped them when that friend wants it.  It&#8217;s happened to me, and nearly destroyed a friendship.  I prefer that either money changes hands, or it&#8217;s known from the start that it&#8217;s free &#8212; no &#8220;favors&#8221; &#8212; because the gray area is hard to navigate.</p>
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		<title>By: Pros and Cons of a Public Price List &#124; Red Button Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pros and Cons of a Public Price List &#124; Red Button Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adri</title>
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		<dc:creator>adri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I do web design/graphic desing/video editing. We have done so many projects for family who are in ministry. At first my husband use to do it for free, after we got married, we had a talk with them and mentioned it was not fair to us so they agree to start paying us a discounted price for the many things we did for them, it worked fine for a year. Then they didn;t have any money but REALLLY NEEDED to get this or that done, since we knew they really didn&#039;t have any money we helped them with a couple of websites/video editig projects for free. What frustrates me? Now that they might be able to afford to pay for something they still expect us to work for free, when we put a price to the project they just ask they get offended. Then they go and pay somebody else to the job. Seriously? So if we don&#039;t do it for free they&#039;ll rather pay somebody else than pay me? I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever be doing any free work for them even if they are in REAL need. I&#039;m sorry but it&#039;s just not worth it.

...and yes, this happend recently, I guess I haven&#039;t gotten over it yet! Sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I do web design/graphic desing/video editing. We have done so many projects for family who are in ministry. At first my husband use to do it for free, after we got married, we had a talk with them and mentioned it was not fair to us so they agree to start paying us a discounted price for the many things we did for them, it worked fine for a year. Then they didn;t have any money but REALLLY NEEDED to get this or that done, since we knew they really didn&#8217;t have any money we helped them with a couple of websites/video editig projects for free. What frustrates me? Now that they might be able to afford to pay for something they still expect us to work for free, when we put a price to the project they just ask they get offended. Then they go and pay somebody else to the job. Seriously? So if we don&#8217;t do it for free they&#8217;ll rather pay somebody else than pay me? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever be doing any free work for them even if they are in REAL need. I&#8217;m sorry but it&#8217;s just not worth it.</p>
<p>&#8230;and yes, this happend recently, I guess I haven&#8217;t gotten over it yet! Sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer not doing work for friends because it&#039;s really hard to treat them like clients. It&#039;s just too hard for me anyways. I feel bad sending them bills and such. I once sent a bill to a friend for some programming work and he thought it was too high. I thought I gave him a deal. 4 hours at 30 an hour. So, since then he seemed to try not to ask for more requests. I would have wanted to do it for free but he also said he wanted to treat him like a client. So, overall, I prefer not to do work for friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer not doing work for friends because it&#8217;s really hard to treat them like clients. It&#8217;s just too hard for me anyways. I feel bad sending them bills and such. I once sent a bill to a friend for some programming work and he thought it was too high. I thought I gave him a deal. 4 hours at 30 an hour. So, since then he seemed to try not to ask for more requests. I would have wanted to do it for free but he also said he wanted to treat him like a client. So, overall, I prefer not to do work for friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently finished a web project for my aunt and uncle&#039;s business. I approached the project just like any other project. I required them to sign my standard contract and the estimate. This made them realize that they were dealing with me in a professional capacity. The project went off without a hitch and they were happy with the results.

It helps to set the ground rules early and explain your process. If they won&#039;t allow you to work as you would normally, don&#039;t take the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently finished a web project for my aunt and uncle&#8217;s business. I approached the project just like any other project. I required them to sign my standard contract and the estimate. This made them realize that they were dealing with me in a professional capacity. The project went off without a hitch and they were happy with the results.</p>
<p>It helps to set the ground rules early and explain your process. If they won&#8217;t allow you to work as you would normally, don&#8217;t take the project.</p>
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